Indulgence's... a dogma bypassing Christ all together and substituting a better way...

[old man joe]

the RC Catechism states :


"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose
guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains
under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the
minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the
satisfactions of Christ and the saints."

"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the
temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.

"To acquire a plenary indulgence it is necessary to perform the work to which the
indulgence is attached and to fulfill the following three conditions:

1.sacramental confession,

2.eucharistic Communion, and

3.prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff... which is to
recite one ' Our Father ' and one ' Hail Mary '.

conclusion : who needs Jesus Christ when all one has to do is these 3 things to be clean
before God ? the blood of Christ is not sufficient in and of itself to cleanse from
sin... which means, of course, that God is not Omnipotent... Christ failed at Calvary.

the whole meaning of the Christianity as preserved in Holy Scripture is null and void in
light of the RCC dogma stated above.

there is no redemption possible except through the Catholic Church. salvation is by
' works ' and not by faith of Jesus given sinner's by His grace and performed only by the
Catholic Church and only for a faithful Catholic.

one can see that Catholic good works are directed solely for the benefit of
self-forgiveness, which is Anti-Christ in nature, and forgiveness of those who are
supposed to be in Purgatory paying for their own sins, which is Anti-Christ in nature...
Christ failed at Calvary so redeem yourself.

[duke]

Post by old man joe
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose
guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains
under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the
minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the
satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the
temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.
"To acquire a plenary indulgence it is necessary to perform the work to which the
1.sacramental confession,
2.eucharistic Communion, and
3.prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff... which is to
recite one ' Our Father ' and one ' Hail Mary '.
conclusion : who needs Jesus Christ when all one has to do is these 3 things to be clean
before God ? the blood of Christ is not sufficient in and of itself to cleanse from
sin... which means, of course, that God is not Omnipotent... Christ failed at Calvary.

Everybody does. It's Christ's indulgence, in response to our prayers and the
prayers of others including the Blessed Virgin Mary, that Jesus reduces the
period of temporal punishment.

Post by old man joe
the whole meaning of the Christianity as preserved in Holy Scripture is null and void in
light of the RCC dogma stated above.

And you show beyond any doubt that you don't understand.

Post by old man joe
there is no redemption possible except through the Catholic Church.

We disagree totally.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

[ThomM]

Post by old man joe
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose
guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains
under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the
minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the
satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the
temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.
"To acquire a plenary indulgence it is necessary to perform the work to which the
1.sacramental confession,
2.eucharistic Communion, and
3.prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff... which is to
recite one ' Our Father ' and one ' Hail Mary '.
conclusion :  who needs Jesus Christ when all one has to do is these 3 things to be clean
before God ?  the blood of Christ is not sufficient in and of itself to cleanse from
sin... which means, of course, that God is not Omnipotent... Christ failed at Calvary.

Everybody does.  It's Christ's indulgence, in response to our prayers and the
prayers of others including the Blessed Virgin Mary, that Jesus reduces the
period of temporal punishment.

Post by old man joe
the whole meaning of the Christianity as preserved in Holy Scripture is null and void in
light of the RCC dogma stated above.

And you show beyond any doubt that you don't understand.

Post by old man joe
there is no redemption possible except through the Catholic Church.

We disagree totally.

On what provable basis do you disagree


The pope is - by his religion - speaking for the christ - when he
speaks of faith or moral issues - and is established to be infallible
on them

YOU certainly do not speak for a god - you cannot prove one exists.
There is certainly no redemption through YOU.

[duke]

Post by ThomM

Post by old man joe
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose
guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains
under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the
minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the
satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the
temporal punishment due to sin." Indulgences may be applied to the living or the dead.
"To acquire a plenary indulgence it is necessary to perform the work to which the
1.sacramental confession,
2.eucharistic Communion, and
3.prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff... which is to
recite one ' Our Father ' and one ' Hail Mary '.
conclusion :  who needs Jesus Christ when all one has to do is these 3 things to be clean
before God ?  the blood of Christ is not sufficient in and of itself to cleanse from
sin... which means, of course, that God is not Omnipotent... Christ failed at Calvary.

Everybody does.  It's Christ's indulgence, in response to our prayers and the
prayers of others including the Blessed Virgin Mary, that Jesus reduces the
period of temporal punishment.

Post by old man joe
the whole meaning of the Christianity as preserved in Holy Scripture is null and void in
light of the RCC dogma stated above.

And you show beyond any doubt that you don't understand.

Post by old man joe
there is no redemption possible except through the Catholic Church.

We disagree totally.

On what provable basis do you disagree

The operative word is (c)atholic, not (C)atholic.

Post by ThomM
The pope is - by his religion - speaking for the christ - when he
speaks of faith or moral issues - and is established to be infallible
on them

He is infallible when he declares his point is from the Chair of Peter.

Post by ThomM
YOU certainly do not speak for a god - you cannot prove one exists.
There is certainly no redemption through YOU.

That's for sure.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****