old man joe
2010-01-28 12:02:24 UTC
in the RC Catechism they say...
continuing in sin is a sign of being " without God, " yet, Roman Catholic doctrine states
that salvation comes through ceremonial baptism preformed by them, of course, yet these
show not a single good work evidencing genuine salvation...
" The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his
disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary
for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the
possibility of asking for this sacrament.
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal
beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the
Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has
bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by
his sacraments. "
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when the Catholic ( and other's ) speak of baptism they means water baptism just as their
traditions note from the above quote. here it is said that water Baptism is necessary for
salvation... which it is not. the Bible doesn't teach it... the Lord has not given water
Baptism only so the smart can be saved... " who have the possibility of asking for this
sacrament. " the criminal crucified with Christ was no where said in the Bible to have
been baptized, yet that self same day he was taken into Paradise...
this is because faith alone justifies, not works. Ro. 3:28; Gal. 2:16
since these say that Baptism is necessary for salvation and that " the Church does not
know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitde, " they
openly admit they are not saved at all, none of them, because the Baptism which saves is
done without hands by the Holy Spirit at the instant a person is elect unto salvation..
Mk. 1:8; Lk.20:4-8; Jn. 1:33
this also means that Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, Moses, all the people of Nineveh and
everyone else who were elect of God unto life eternal in the OT... long before Baptism was
ever introduced, are not saved. yet, Moses appears on the mount of Transfiguration
talking with Jesus.
this also means that a baby dying at birth can not " enter into eternal beatitude "... but
rather, must burn in torment in Limbo all the while at least 4 prophets are spoken of in
the OT as being elect unto eternal life as fetuses.
when the RCC speaks of Baptism it means ceremonial baptism. ceremonial Baptism saves no
one from ' Original Sin ' as the RCC claim's, nor does it ' forgive all personal sins as
well as punishment for sin ' as the RCC claims.
this conflicts with their own teaching of Penance as well as direct testimony of John who
writes... " If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is
not in us.." 1 Jn. 1:8
getting back to " Baptism as being necessary for salvation ", this means that only the
well in mind can be saved through ceremonial baptism. in RC thinking, the mentally
impaired can not be saved since one must " ask to be Baptized " according to their
teachings... yet another doctrine of co-redemption designed for the smart, only.
such is anti-Christian teaching that ceremonial " baptism is necessary
for salvation ".
the more one reads the RC Catechism concerning Baptism the more he's convinced that the
intent is like that of Simon in Acts chapter 8 who wanted the power to impart the Holy
Spirit through the laying on of his hands.
these want the power to forgive sin and impart salvation through ceremonies ministered by
themselves.
to teach such gives the adherents a completely false sense of security that by some man
made ceremony a person is absolved from all sin. if this is the case, why are they still
in the world and worshipping idols ?
" By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all
punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their
entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences
of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God. " so says the RC Catechism...
there is no need for Jesus Christ in such heretical circles. just stop by your local RCC
for complete absolution of all your sins. sounds like an ecclesiastical car wash but for
the soul.
" The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal
beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the
Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."
in this part of the Catechism ' born again ' or ' born from above ' or reborn of water and
the Spirit ' is replaced by ceremonial baptism. the reference is to John 3 where Jesus
talks about being born from above to a worldly Pharisee.
confounded by Jesus' teaching to a man who knew only ceremonies as a means to salvation,
the fleshly priest does not understand how God could possibly save anyone without the
priests intervention. the priest did not understand Jonah 2:9... " Salvation is of the
LORD."
and so it is with everyone who redesigns genuine salvation from a work of God to the work
of man through ceremonies.
now, Baptism with water as a ceremony places one into the name of the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit as in Matt. 28:19 and is not to be assumed it is the washing of
regeneration. when Peter, in Acts 2:38,39 declares to his listeners to " be baptized in
the name of Jesus Christ " its because of the remission of sins... because of...
not in order that. Baptism didn't do a thing for Judas.
this is consistent with Jonah 2:9... " Salvation is of the Lord ", otherwise, the abuses
of arrogant men would surely show itself in preforming ceremonies giving the people a
false hope that they are saved when they are not. after all, they are still worshipping
idols.
the Lord God gets all the glory for the salvation made without hands He alone provides and
He alone preforms. man, has nothing to do with it for " The wind blows where it wishes,
and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is
everyone who is born of the Spirit." Jo.3:8
those who are water baptized and not saved think, speak and act the things of this world.
they still go about filling the lusts of their flesh, worshipping idols, fulfilling the
desires of the flesh and of the mind while those who are saved and are water baptized
think, speak and act the things of God simply because Baptism by the Holy Spirit made
without the hands of man is what saves. they grow in the knowledge of the Lord by
reading, studying, pondering and believing the Word of the Lord. they are grieved when
they fail Him.
they know from studying the Word that Johns baptism did not forgive sin but the Baptism of
the Holy Spirit does. they know that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from
his mothers womb and that there is no account of John ever being baptized with the water.
they know that the criminal crucified with Christ was not baptized.
they know that no ceremony can forgive sin but that the washing of regeneration preformed
by a Sovereign God by an act of mercy, love and grace on His part is in view when Divine
baptism is spoken of in Holy Scripture... like unto a circumcision made without hands :
" In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting
off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in
baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who
raised Him from the dead. " Col.2:11,12. Baptism with water is an outward sign of an
inward Baptism done by the Holy Spirit effecting being born from above.
the faith which saves, that is, having been given the " faith of Jesus Christ " by which
the elect and they alone are justified ( Ga. 2:16 ) is the direct result " in the working
of God "... not man... both witnesses agree... Col. 2:11,12 cp Jn. 6:28,29.
continuing in sin is a sign of being " without God, " yet, Roman Catholic doctrine states
that salvation comes through ceremonial baptism preformed by them, of course, yet these
show not a single good work evidencing genuine salvation...
" The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his
disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary
for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the
possibility of asking for this sacrament.
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal
beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the
Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has
bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by
his sacraments. "
***************************************************************************************************************
when the Catholic ( and other's ) speak of baptism they means water baptism just as their
traditions note from the above quote. here it is said that water Baptism is necessary for
salvation... which it is not. the Bible doesn't teach it... the Lord has not given water
Baptism only so the smart can be saved... " who have the possibility of asking for this
sacrament. " the criminal crucified with Christ was no where said in the Bible to have
been baptized, yet that self same day he was taken into Paradise...
this is because faith alone justifies, not works. Ro. 3:28; Gal. 2:16
since these say that Baptism is necessary for salvation and that " the Church does not
know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitde, " they
openly admit they are not saved at all, none of them, because the Baptism which saves is
done without hands by the Holy Spirit at the instant a person is elect unto salvation..
Mk. 1:8; Lk.20:4-8; Jn. 1:33
this also means that Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, Moses, all the people of Nineveh and
everyone else who were elect of God unto life eternal in the OT... long before Baptism was
ever introduced, are not saved. yet, Moses appears on the mount of Transfiguration
talking with Jesus.
this also means that a baby dying at birth can not " enter into eternal beatitude "... but
rather, must burn in torment in Limbo all the while at least 4 prophets are spoken of in
the OT as being elect unto eternal life as fetuses.
when the RCC speaks of Baptism it means ceremonial baptism. ceremonial Baptism saves no
one from ' Original Sin ' as the RCC claim's, nor does it ' forgive all personal sins as
well as punishment for sin ' as the RCC claims.
this conflicts with their own teaching of Penance as well as direct testimony of John who
writes... " If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is
not in us.." 1 Jn. 1:8
getting back to " Baptism as being necessary for salvation ", this means that only the
well in mind can be saved through ceremonial baptism. in RC thinking, the mentally
impaired can not be saved since one must " ask to be Baptized " according to their
teachings... yet another doctrine of co-redemption designed for the smart, only.
such is anti-Christian teaching that ceremonial " baptism is necessary
for salvation ".
the more one reads the RC Catechism concerning Baptism the more he's convinced that the
intent is like that of Simon in Acts chapter 8 who wanted the power to impart the Holy
Spirit through the laying on of his hands.
these want the power to forgive sin and impart salvation through ceremonies ministered by
themselves.
to teach such gives the adherents a completely false sense of security that by some man
made ceremony a person is absolved from all sin. if this is the case, why are they still
in the world and worshipping idols ?
" By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all
punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their
entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences
of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God. " so says the RC Catechism...
there is no need for Jesus Christ in such heretical circles. just stop by your local RCC
for complete absolution of all your sins. sounds like an ecclesiastical car wash but for
the soul.
" The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal
beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the
Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."
in this part of the Catechism ' born again ' or ' born from above ' or reborn of water and
the Spirit ' is replaced by ceremonial baptism. the reference is to John 3 where Jesus
talks about being born from above to a worldly Pharisee.
confounded by Jesus' teaching to a man who knew only ceremonies as a means to salvation,
the fleshly priest does not understand how God could possibly save anyone without the
priests intervention. the priest did not understand Jonah 2:9... " Salvation is of the
LORD."
and so it is with everyone who redesigns genuine salvation from a work of God to the work
of man through ceremonies.
now, Baptism with water as a ceremony places one into the name of the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit as in Matt. 28:19 and is not to be assumed it is the washing of
regeneration. when Peter, in Acts 2:38,39 declares to his listeners to " be baptized in
the name of Jesus Christ " its because of the remission of sins... because of...
not in order that. Baptism didn't do a thing for Judas.
this is consistent with Jonah 2:9... " Salvation is of the Lord ", otherwise, the abuses
of arrogant men would surely show itself in preforming ceremonies giving the people a
false hope that they are saved when they are not. after all, they are still worshipping
idols.
the Lord God gets all the glory for the salvation made without hands He alone provides and
He alone preforms. man, has nothing to do with it for " The wind blows where it wishes,
and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is
everyone who is born of the Spirit." Jo.3:8
those who are water baptized and not saved think, speak and act the things of this world.
they still go about filling the lusts of their flesh, worshipping idols, fulfilling the
desires of the flesh and of the mind while those who are saved and are water baptized
think, speak and act the things of God simply because Baptism by the Holy Spirit made
without the hands of man is what saves. they grow in the knowledge of the Lord by
reading, studying, pondering and believing the Word of the Lord. they are grieved when
they fail Him.
they know from studying the Word that Johns baptism did not forgive sin but the Baptism of
the Holy Spirit does. they know that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from
his mothers womb and that there is no account of John ever being baptized with the water.
they know that the criminal crucified with Christ was not baptized.
they know that no ceremony can forgive sin but that the washing of regeneration preformed
by a Sovereign God by an act of mercy, love and grace on His part is in view when Divine
baptism is spoken of in Holy Scripture... like unto a circumcision made without hands :
" In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting
off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in
baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who
raised Him from the dead. " Col.2:11,12. Baptism with water is an outward sign of an
inward Baptism done by the Holy Spirit effecting being born from above.
the faith which saves, that is, having been given the " faith of Jesus Christ " by which
the elect and they alone are justified ( Ga. 2:16 ) is the direct result " in the working
of God "... not man... both witnesses agree... Col. 2:11,12 cp Jn. 6:28,29.